This post will be critical written, due it being my last attempt to make people AND THE DEVTEAM aware that the Venga Reel series is broken and see it as me crying out loud, I beg you Admins to pass that on towards the Devs.
I did say that I will avoid everything official from RF4 for a while and stay + play casual, because I do not like certain things and directions, that said, this is the only place to report Bugs properly, that's why I am here to give it a final shot a final plea that we get a working/fixed endgame Reel.
I will write down some multiple tested facts, which can be reproduced and if needed shown with Video footage. If an Admin or Dev does doubt anything I did say, I am gladly going out of my way and make some comparison footage of the Tagara and Venga and I will also Record from now on all Fishing sessions in order to get footage of the Trophy Bug with the Venga (This can take a while, due it "only happening at ~2 out of 3 Trophies and it already happened today (without recording...) and who knows when I get my next Trophy on. Also you can check my Account ingame for the lost fishes.
Now towards the post, yes weird title, I would think the same...
I do not even know how to start that topic properly because it makes me already salty thinking about it, so I will make a little loop almost 1 year back to get my head clear and explain it from the beginning, so also newer Players are able to follow, so lets get into it:
The Venga series is since release not working properly. Right after release there was a problem with 10.000 sized Reels, this has been fixed kinda quickly with a following Patch klick.
Only one Patch later the reeling speed mechanism has been changed/reworked klick. This however did not change the problem that the Venga is under pressure slowing down way too much, I made recently a post about that here klick.
So the first problem which I stated as "generally bugged" is as stated in my post that the Venga series is losing way too much power when there is more line tension.
And yes I am aware of that being a mechanic, as more tension as less reeling speed, but: Why is the Venga under the same circumstances twice as slow or even worse than the Tagara? The Venga has higher Drag and a higher Gear ratio, so the Reel should be even faster, but not so much slower...
I made the tests with the exact same setup, with full, middle and low energy bar, with different Rods and different Fish species and the Venga is 100% still broken.
A funny side note:
Due the Venga reeling speed being broken, people started to adjust and istead of reeling in Fishes they dragged them in (Drag at 29, go backwards, go forward reeling up the line, repeat, or if possible go as long backwards till you stranded the Fish and then reel the line up) <-- this is the only way how you can/could actually make use of the higher drag FOR WHAT YOU PAID FOR with the Venga. (with wrong setups you can damage or even break your Gear, stay away from it if you are inexperienced, or try it with cheaper setups before)
People started to realize that dragging in Fishes does by far also way less damage towards your Gear.
So they started to do that even with other reels and setups. Now you would not only save Time with certain setups, but you also always save silver due lower repair costs.
Now guess why some People do now complain about the so called noodle Rods klick?
Because Devs tried to change the Rod mechanic in order to make the dragging fishing style not worth it anymore.
So the bugged Venga did lead into a totally new fishing style the "dragging" and that only due them never fixing the Reel and istead of finally fixing the Reel they tried to deny the only way how you can make the Reel work by adjusting Rods and that attempt led into the broken noodle Rods...
Ps: Sorry I had to include that, because that is exactly how you do not fix problems, it is a similar fail attempt as with the shoveling and bleaks/gudgeons weight adjustement against the bot users... All 3 things where not thought through and could have been handled so much better and no it was not even minimalistic good even if it was a quick short term solution.
The Venga Trophy Bug:
This part is triggering me way more than the broken Reel itself, because over the xx-xxx lost Trophies with the Venga it does feel more and more like a mechanic than a Bug.
But due the benefit of the doubt I will still think over it as a Bug and so I will handle it.
I also kinda made already a post about that, but it was the general weird Size range of randomly lost Fishes in general klick.
But this does go hand in hand with it, as stated in the other post I do have a really high amount of Trophies within my randomly lost Fishes and generally the Size of them seem to be always in the higher weight Range, but now it is only about the Venga vs Trophy Fishes especially Carps.
I had today the ultimately perfect example of it happening, but I did not record it which is a real shame, but I will show footage of it and will prove that it is not random at Trophies.
It is either a bug or a mechanic and I really hope for the first one...
So what happened:
~2 weeks ago I ragequitted 3 Times within 2 Days, all 3 Times I had a Trophy on and all 3 ended with a random Fish lost (no tension loss, no drag in red/orange area, no sudden movement, the fishes either just got away during taking line swimming straight ahead, or due reeling them straight in at the green drag area without any sign of activity.)
Today I decided to launch RF4 again, I was at Sura, purchased the currently working Boilies, adjusted my setup for Bear Lake, went for the back then and now still working spot 59:62.
First Time being there, I caught ~ 10 fishes and had to leave due RL, then I came ~1h later back online and the 2nd bite was a Trophy (Trophy Carps do very often bite differently at wagglers then normal ones), I waited for a good Time to strike and after I did so he instantly went for a short run at Drag 29, that was the final confirmation of it being big. So during him running I tuned the Drag down to 25 to get outside of the red area to reduce the pressure on the Hook. Normally I would have gone even further down to 20, but in that case I never came to that point because... The fish stopped running, I could reel im hin totally straight with drag 25, it was always the same Tension at the Line, inside the green area close in front of orange so it never reached drag 25 it was actually around 20 already, I never had pressure on the Line, that's why I also did not adjust down to 20, it was simply not necessary.
The Fish did bite at Clip distance 35 including the short run of him after biting he was around 40m out. I could reel him in for about half of the Distance, without him making any movement the Line tension only moving for a few millimeters up and down and then suddenly without any indication, no change whatsoever "Fish got away"
This up there is the one case happening, now there is a 2nd one too and both do happen over and over and over and over and.... makes it so frustrating to currently use the Venga.
The second case is, that you hook a Trophy, you realize it again due the biting and him taking line at 29 Drag, you lower your drag at 20 or whatever to be in the green area.
The Fish is running straight away, making no turns left and right, just going straight and straight and then "Fish got away" no direction change, no tension change, nothing happening except of the Fish being lost.
I have 525 lost Fishes within 65k caught, that's an amount where you can remember at many of those lost Fishes and you especially do remember at those where you did not mess up by yourself, when it was out of you hand and simply RNG, but those Fishes would not hurt that much if it would be truly fair RNG, because then the weight would not almost always be in the high range and it would not happen so freaking often with Trophies.
As I said the benefit of the doubt does make it still a Bug for me, but as more it does happen as more Trophies you lose with stuff like that as more it does look like a mechanic.
And I would understand if Devs do not want us to use big Venga reels at Bear Lake and instant catch big Fishes, but then this is the totally wrong way, this would be intentionally punishing us for acquiring and unlocking endgame gear and that is an absolute no go. Simply tell us if we should not use "overpowered gear" at lower level areas, then we can adjust, but please for gos sake do not implement some hidden hard to detect punishing mechanics against it...
In order to get those Fish lost/caught numbers above I had to start the Game, so I went for Bear once again and started to record it.
It took me only 6 Fishes / 5 Minutes and I got another Trophy on and what shall I say I got "lucky enough" and lost that Fish too without any reason, but this Time I can smile about it, because I needed that to happen. The only difference, this Time he made a few hooks left and right, but nothing worrisome whatsoever.
I did not Edit the Video, if you wanna skip towards the Trophy starting to bite, it is at around the 5 minute Mark.
And here is the Video: klick me
So I was "luckily" enough to have 2 Trophies biting within 8 Fishes and losing both randomly.
I will continue to record and post other Trophies being lost randomly in here, especially due this one making direction changes and most of the Time it does happen completely without it.
So yeah PLEASE DEVS and ADMINS take care and fix the Reel, but please also look into those catching Bugs/Mechanics.
I can not do more than providing Infos about the things I experience due trying and doing same Stuff over and over and if something is not working properly we can report it, but we have no way to see what is actually behind it, is it an unitended Bug, a intended mechanic, or simply a player fatnasizing. It is in your Hands to make us feel good and make your Game enjoyable for us. There is noone having fun with such things mentioned above though.
Thanks for your work and please start to look after your Players, please.
I know the amount of people actually using the Venga series is minimalistic compared to people with Tagaras and the Tagara series does not have the problems of the Venga series.
The people who purchased the Vengas right after release are those who got a bit lets call it "screwed over".
I do own also the Tagaras at another region that's why I could make all that testing and I also ony got them because I knew from this Account that the Vengas are broken.
So for all thinking about Tagara or Venga here a few things from my side:
1. There are soonish new reels incoming, if your gear (Alpha 8k Gold 8k or so) is still doing the job, I would wait for the new stuff and decide afterwards.
2. If you wanna have some endgame reels right now, take the Tagara 10k. Importat 10k size, due the amount of line fitting, so you can fish at bear with mono and you can fit enough braid for akhtuba runners in the open.
3. The only advantage of the Venga is the few more KG of max drag, those are only feelable/usable at fishes around 25+kg.
4. All other things are equal or a + for the Tagara. Both have the same line capacity, The Tagara has no bugs, is way cheaper, has lower repair costs, shorter repair times and does not lose so much reeling speed.
All in all the Venga is only useful for big Cats & Sturgeons and so on and if you get one of those at your Tagara and you will fight it ~ 30 minutes longer than with the Venga, it is still worth it because you do avoid all the other crap coming with the Venga.
Thanks for taking the Time to read everything
over and out