irwinricpu Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Hey all. I am very sad and a little angry because price of common carp (20kg) is 120 slvr? Where is the end of that? Should we expect in near future 50 slvr for common trophy carp? Now i'm waiting that you "touch" experience. Ohh one more thing, in rl fishjng after few days on spot- bigger and more fish are coming. Here is dead after 1 day (1ig hour) Tnx, tight lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woowoof Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 I was bottom fishing the other day and I caught a 15 kg catfish with a setup of around 9 kg. It took me about 15 minutes to reel in this fish and get it into my net. In the process my reels' friction disk took a bit of a hit, due to the amount of careful reeling I had to do with that under powered setup. I think it was worth something like 20 silver. That is a disappointing value for the time I had to spend on it, and likely will not cover the damage to the friction disk. The XP was even less exiting and again not worth the time at all. I can make more than 20 silver in that same fishing spot when smaller fish bite, without all the repair costs and I can make more XP on smaller and easier to reel in fish. Once in a while you get that big bite, you are all excited and do your best to reel it in with the gear you have, and end up being totally disappointed by the low reward for all your hard work. Surely this cannot be the intend of the game, because it takes out the fun and excitement of fishing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickOfBlueMilk Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Welcome to fishing guys. Thats just how it is in real life too. Would you still play this game if you have all the rods and reels and fighting fish wouldnt be challenging, if you could just reel them in? I, personally use UL a lot to put myself at disadvantage, keep the fights interesting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woowoof Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 hour ago, SickOfBlueMilk said: Welcome to fishing guys. Thats just how it is in real life too. Would you still play this game if you have all the rods and reels and fighting fish wouldnt be challenging, if you could just reel them in? I, personally use UL a lot to put myself at disadvantage, keep the fights interesting. But this is not real life. This is a game and I play games for entertainment purposes. If I wanted it to be exactly like real life I would get my fishing gear out and go fish in one of the many lakes around my place. All I am asking is that we get some entertainment out of the game. Not asking for all the gear. Just asking to get some opportunities for gear after +250 hours of fishing. I have caught 5983 fish, and have 257.31 silver to my name. That is an average of almost 24 fish/hour, which I consider to be pretty good. 257.13 silver does not get you far, when a reel upgrade is around 2000 silver each. And that's just for the reel, not a whole rod setup. It's around 4000 silver for a rod setup, 12,000 silver for a 3 rod setup. And that's not even close to the best setup at all. Far from. At this rate I might have enough silver for a single rod setup/upgrade in about 750 hours... By then I will likely have lost all interest in this game and moved on, due to lack of entertainment value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zed895 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 11 hours ago, Woowoof said: I was bottom fishing the other day and I caught a 15 kg catfish with a setup of around 9 kg. It took me about 15 minutes to reel in this fish and get it into my net. In the process my reels' friction disk took a bit of a hit, due to the amount of careful reeling I had to do with that under powered setup. I think it was worth something like 20 silver. That is a disappointing value for the time I had to spend on it, and likely will not cover the damage to the friction disk. The XP was even less exiting and again not worth the time at all. I can make more than 20 silver in that same fishing spot when smaller fish bite, without all the repair costs and I can make more XP on smaller and easier to reel in fish. Once in a while you get that big bite, you are all excited and do your best to reel it in with the gear you have, and end up being totally disappointed by the low reward for all your hard work. Surely this cannot be the intend of the game, because it takes out the fun and excitement of fishing... OMG... you had planty of fun so far, but when accidentaly you catch a single fish which costed too much you start to cry... Haven't you had experience like this in real life? It happened to me e.g. that when I went to a river I was not able to catch even one single fish, so shall I start now demand back the petrol I used in my car to go there? And it is not about that I would not be talented... I caught already plenty of fish at different occasions. You say it is not real life. OK. But this game is better than any other fishing game because it tries to be as real as possible. Do you want a car racing game where you always just win regardless you are slow or fast? Instead of trying to make this game lame be a man (fisherMAN) and learn how you can be more effective. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woowoof Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 11 hours ago, Zed895 said: OMG... you had planty of fun so far, but when accidentaly you catch a single fish which costed too much you start to cry... Haven't you had experience like this in real life? It happened to me e.g. that when I went to a river I was not able to catch even one single fish, so shall I start now demand back the petrol I used in my car to go there? And it is not about that I would not be talented... I caught already plenty of fish at different occasions. You say it is not real life. OK. But this game is better than any other fishing game because it tries to be as real as possible. Do you want a car racing game where you always just win regardless you are slow or fast? Instead of trying to make this game lame be a man (fisherMAN) and learn how you can be more effective. Sounds like you misunderstood me. Let me try to explain it better. This is a game, and most people play games for fun and entertainment. I get large bites once in a while, and often end up reeling them in after 15-20 minutes and actually enjoy the struggle and the diversity of fish I catch. Just like in real life would be a good comparison. However, what I don't enjoy it the constant silver struggle that is a result of the enjoyment I am having. My fishing gear wears down a lot due to the 15-20 minute struggles. All I am asking for is a fair balance between the struggle and the cost of the struggle. If I have to spend 15-20 minutes reeling in a fish, which is actually an exiting event, it should not result in a total disappointment when the value of the fish is so low it was not worth the time and gear wear. I could go fish in a different lake and catch almost nothing but small fish, but that becomes very boring after a while. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zed895 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 (edited) 11 hours ago, Woowoof said: Sounds like you misunderstood me. Let me try to explain it better. This is a game, and most people play games for fun and entertainment. I get large bites once in a while, and often end up reeling them in after 15-20 minutes and actually enjoy the struggle and the diversity of fish I catch. Just like in real life would be a good comparison. However, what I don't enjoy it the constant silver struggle that is a result of the enjoyment I am having. My fishing gear wears down a lot due to the 15-20 minute struggles. All I am asking for is a fair balance between the struggle and the cost of the struggle. If I have to spend 15-20 minutes reeling in a fish, which is actually an exiting event, it should not result in a total disappointment when the value of the fish is so low it was not worth the time and gear wear. I could go fish in a different lake and catch almost nothing but small fish, but that becomes very boring after a while. 1. The point is that thousands of players already found this fair balance... e.g.: I bought Venga and Megara reels without gold. But I argee, that it is not too easy and you have to spend a lot of time playing for this. But I think you also will find this balance if you try instead of writing posts about it. 2. As it is in the Bible: "the worker deserves his salary" - if it was too easy to get enough silver for the best equipment the creators of this game would not earn enough money to continue this project. 3. The game is much more complex than it appears in the first 20 levels. So e.g. you will not know what are the good performance/price ratios in case of a lot of equipments. E.g.: do not use your best reel or rod for smaller fish, do not use braided line when it is unnecessary, just like in real life. Or: some small fish have surprisingly big xp value,... 4. This is about FISHING. So if you enjoy the scenery, the calm environment and catch fish you enjoy the game. Yes, if the fish is trophy, you enjoy even more. But this is not a race game, this is not about silver or gold. E.g.: I buy rods and reels based on (mainly) their appearence, not their stats. So if a reel have a very good price/quality ratio but not enough nice appearence I do not buy it. And if a reel looks very nice I buy it even if it is expensive and I have stronger one anyway. Just like in real life. Good luck Edited February 2 by Zed895 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woowoof Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 I have been trying for 250 hours to find the balance between wear/gear/fish. I am still looking for a balance that allows me to enjoy fishing without having a struggle to make repairs, or even buy some bait. It's not about buying all the good gear by the end of the day, it's about enjoying fishing. I ran so low the other day that I could only afford 30 worms rather than my usual 300. I caught over 5000 fish, so it's not that they don't bite .It's just a constant silver struggle to make even the most simple purchases or minor upgrades. It's taking away from my enjoyment too much. Just to give you another example of something I did not know until I found out the hard way: If your friction disc is down to 80% life left and you decide to change it, the repair time would be around 1 in game day, 1 hour real time. Want to try to save some money on repairs and wait until there's 30% life left? Well, you could but now the same repair for some magical reason takes 6 in game day, 6 hour real time. This is a friction disc change, should take the same amount of time to change it regardless of the actual wear. This long time frame resulted in me having to fish with a lesser reel, again taking away from my enjoyment and entertainment for no real reason besides the obvious one: you can chose instant repair at any time for gold. I just feel this game is trying to hard to get micro transactions out of a user, to a point where it takes away from the enjoyment of fishing and enjoying your time in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zed895 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Woowoof said: I have been trying for 250 hours to find the balance between wear/gear/fish. I am still looking for a balance that allows me to enjoy fishing without having a struggle to make repairs, or even buy some bait. It's not about buying all the good gear by the end of the day, it's about enjoying fishing. I ran so low the other day that I could only afford 30 worms rather than my usual 300. I caught over 5000 fish, so it's not that they don't bite .It's just a constant silver struggle to make even the most simple purchases or minor upgrades. It's taking away from my enjoyment too much. Just to give you another example of something I did not know until I found out the hard way: If your friction disc is down to 80% life left and you decide to change it, the repair time would be around 1 in game day, 1 hour real time. Want to try to save some money on repairs and wait until there's 30% life left? Well, you could but now the same repair for some magical reason takes 6 in game day, 6 hour real time. This is a friction disc change, should take the same amount of time to change it regardless of the actual wear. This long time frame resulted in me having to fish with a lesser reel, again taking away from my enjoyment and entertainment for no real reason besides the obvious one: you can chose instant repair at any time for gold. I just feel this game is trying to hard to get micro transactions out of a user, to a point where it takes away from the enjoyment of fishing and enjoying your time in the game. Uh... I think in this case there are several mistakes. First, I think it is likely that you forgot to read the user manual: https://rf4game.com/userguide/ You also can find a lot of useful guides on this forum. About friction brakes: as a general rule you should repair them at approx. 20%. It is much cheaper in this case than as it was at 80%. Mechanic at 30% Spool and bearings don't have to be repaired generaly, at least not on your level. Oil at 20-30% percent. Always use stock parts until you became much more experienced. At the administration building you can receive spare bait and tackle ones a day... But most importantly: READ the user manual and the guides on this forum. Very likely that you target fish spieces with not adequate equipment for that given spieces. Anyway on what level are you actualy? What rod and reel do you use for feeder and spin fishing? Edit: I see that you meant 20%, not 80% friction brake. Edited February 2 by Zed895 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zed895 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 7 minutes ago, Zed895 said: Uh... I think in this case there are several mistakes. First, I think it is likely that you forgot to read the user manual: https://rf4game.com/userguide/ You also can find a lot of useful guides on this forum. About friction brakes: as a general rule you should repair them at approx. 20%. It is much cheaper in this case than as it was at 80%. Mechanic at 30% Spool and bearings don't have to be repaired generaly, at least not on your level. Oil at 20-30% percent. Always use stock parts until you became much more experienced. At the administration building you can receive spare bait and tackle ones a day... But most importantly: READ the user manual and the guides on this forum. Very likely that you target fish spieces with not adequate equipment for that given spieces. Anyway on what level are you actualy? What rod and reel do you use for feeder and spin fishing? Edit: I see that you meant 20%, not 80% friction brake. I mean wear percentages. So 20% wear means that it is closer to intact than broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woowoof Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 (edited) This is the thing. I don't target any specific fish. I just throw in 3 bottom rods and use a few different baits and see what happens. I have always fished like this in real life also: catch whatever decides to bite. I find it more fun than targeting specific fish. I usually catch fish in the range of 500-2000 grams, various species. Those are easy for me to reel in. And once in a while I get a big fish to bite, usually catfish but it could also be carps. I can and have caught 15 kg catfish with a 9 kg setup. It's great fun struggling for 15 minutes to reel that bad boy in and get it in your net. The problem is the repair costs from the 15 kg catfish is not in balance with the price of the fish. I can catch a 500 gram black kutum and make way more silver, with no repair costs at all. Even a 150 gram of those bottom feeders is worth more than than the catfish. For the time it takes me to reel in the catfish and the gear needed to reel it in, it should come with a larger silver reward. It's really underwhelming compared to the enjoyment of dragging it onto shore. Forgot to add level 22 and 3/4 Edited February 2 by Woowoof Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zed895 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Woowoof said: This is the thing. I don't target any specific fish. I just throw in 3 bottom rods and use a few different baits and see what happens. I have always fished like this in real life also: catch whatever decides to bite. I find it more fun than targeting specific fish. I usually catch fish in the range of 500-2000 grams, various species. Those are easy for me to reel in. And once in a while I get a big fish to bite, usually catfish but it could also be carps. I can and have caught 15 kg catfish with a 9 kg setup. It's great fun struggling for 15 minutes to reel that bad boy in and get it in your net. The problem is the repair costs from the 15 kg catfish is not in balance with the price of the fish. I can catch a 500 gram black kutum and make way more silver, with no repair costs at all. Even a 150 gram of those bottom feeders is worth more than than the catfish. For the time it takes me to reel in the catfish and the gear needed to reel it in, it should come with a larger silver reward. It's really underwhelming compared to the enjoyment of dragging it onto shore. Ok, sometimes happen that you loose money on a single fish... you earn money on the other 100 fish. I remember the time when catfish was annoying... but if it is annoying imagine when I hooked a baltic sturgeon far above 100 kg, and after 3 days(!) of fight at the very end of the fight when I had to reel in the dead weight of that fish the leader broke. You do not want to know how much money I lost on that single fish. (Venga reel wear, rod wear, lost homemade lure with strong hooks, 2 days of Archipelago boat ticket (just the ticket was app. 200 silver )) But if you do not know what fish you target than it is a difficult task... Anyway do not use nightcrawler or similar bait and you avoid catfish. Do not trolling with jigs as well. Target Grayling at Belaya: cheap equipment gives you lot of silver. Edited February 2 by Zed895 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zed895 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 26 minutes ago, Woowoof said: This is the thing. I don't target any specific fish. I just throw in 3 bottom rods and use a few different baits and see what happens. I have always fished like this in real life also: catch whatever decides to bite. I find it more fun than targeting specific fish. I usually catch fish in the range of 500-2000 grams, various species. Those are easy for me to reel in. And once in a while I get a big fish to bite, usually catfish but it could also be carps. I can and have caught 15 kg catfish with a 9 kg setup. It's great fun struggling for 15 minutes to reel that bad boy in and get it in your net. The problem is the repair costs from the 15 kg catfish is not in balance with the price of the fish. I can catch a 500 gram black kutum and make way more silver, with no repair costs at all. Even a 150 gram of those bottom feeders is worth more than than the catfish. For the time it takes me to reel in the catfish and the gear needed to reel it in, it should come with a larger silver reward. It's really underwhelming compared to the enjoyment of dragging it onto shore. Forgot to add level 22 and 3/4 So lvl 22. Yes, in this period the catfish plays the balance in the game. I think it is intentional, part of the game design. If I understand you well actualy you have problem only with catfish. It is normal at lvl 22. For you now I think it is the best (in a meaning of safety / profit ratio) is the UL/L spinnig at Belaya and UL spinning or float fishing at Donets. If you have at least a 14kg reel then carp at Old burg or Bear (when they bite) also would be profitable. Kuori also could be good if you know how to avoid pike (no catfish at Kuori) but it is often not in fire nowadays. If you focus only on feeder fishing you are in trouble now, because you are at too high level for bream at Old burg but not enough for carp at Bear or Old Burg... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woowoof Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 I stay away from bear because of the constant snags. That's a really annoying one. I was actually thinking of trying burbot at Kuori with a steel leader to be safe from the pike. It always seems that either pike ruin the fun, or catfish ruin the fun. Or you get a lot of small perch. At least with pike I found that a steel leader does wonders and prevents all the line breaks. I was trying to figure out the other day if there's such a thing as ground bait that scares away catfish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zed895 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Hmm... - Sorry but it should have been obvious that a fish can not bite through the steel leader, even if you have not read the manual yet. Steel leader is in the game against pike, just like in real life. There are predators with weak eyes and bad temper: perch, pike,... they will do not care and take your lure, but predators with good eyesight and with more cautiousness (e.g: trout) will not take your lure with steal leader. - And GB will not help you to deter catfish since catfish is a predator. (Small ones eat worms too, but they are predators). - There is no common area of burbot and pike... it is almost impossible to catch one of them if you target the other one... Burbot live on the bottom while pike midwater and could attack to the surface. - There is no snag at Bear if your equipment adequate for Bear since appropriate reel can easily pull the tackle among the lilies, without snag. However with weak setup there could be a problem there with snag, but not often. (Old burg's ghost snags are much more annoying) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woowoof Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 The steel leader is interesting, but I stayed away from it for the longest time because I did not want to run into issues with the predator fish with good eyesight as I figured they would stop biting. However, they are all biting just fine with the steel leader and I notice no difference in the fish that I get or the amount I get at Kuori or any other trolling/spinning lakes. If I would have known that earlier I could have saved myself a lot of lost lures... As for the ground bait, since you can mix additives I would presume you could make it either very attractive to certain fish, or make it so certain fish would hate it and stay away. I guess catfish likes every smell in the game, hence they always show up no matter what ground bait you use. In the end I still feel that the balance of reward versus fish is great when it comes to catching fish, but unbalanced and unrewarding when it comes to silver reward versus fish caught. Without proper balance it becomes less fun and entertaining over time, to a point where it becomes a chore rather than a game. Since this game is free to play and does not have a monthly cost associated with it, it relies on voluntary micro transactions. Those are not going to occur if the game does not offer proper entertainment value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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